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Tizen Phone: Samsung Z1

Hi guys,

The first Tizen phone, the Samsung Z1, will be released in India next month. According to another report Samsung intends to release the Tizen smartphone initially in India, but then will also launch in China in February 2015, shortly followed in Korea in the first half of 2015.

http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/12/tizen-samsung-z1-full-specifications-leaked-india-release-followed-china-korea/

edit: new pictures: http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/12/more-leaked-pictures-of-first-tizen-smartphone-samsung-z1-sm-z130h/

The price would be less than 100.000 Korean won = 75 euro = 90 US dollar = 5.700 Indian rupee

Will you buy one ?

Edited on 27 12, 2014
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65 Replies
colin Rao

I mostly care of how many apps I can get from the app store. I think the amount of apps for a smart phone is the key point for a user. -_-

Steve Wilson

A recent survey in the UK revealed most adult smartphone users have never even installed an app. The feature voted as most important was battery life.

I think the problem with the Z1 will be the low spec camera, that's going to hamper sales.

John Ixion

It should be compatible with wearables to jumpstart the Tizen Phone --> Tizen Gear ecosystem imo.

faldżip faldżip

Don't get too excited, the Samsung Z was supposed to be the first Tizen phone and it was cancelled 48h before the lauch event, so... Beside that - I am wondering how good the performance of HTML5 apps would be on such low end device (or rather - how bad). Regarding the applications in app store - I agree with Steve, as I do not use more then 10 apps on my phone (and half of them rarely). But low spec camera is a problem here.

John Ixion

It's great to have Tizen positioned on the low end imo: the installed base will be massive very rapidly.

John Ixion

First firmware: http://samsung-updates.com/details/38705//SM-Z130H/INS/Z130HDDU0ANL7.html

Gopal Chandavarapu

I will buy one. I am eagerly waiting for the launch. I want to buy one, develop app, deploy, test and share my app. I am waiting for the launch.

Steve Wilson

@Olivier Nyssen "It's great to have Tizen positioned on the low end imo: the installed base will be massive very rapidly."

I appreciate most of the growth in the smartphone market is now at the low end but I think there's a baseline spec below which you wont get volume, you'll just get Tizen a bad reputation. There's a real danger Tizen will be viewed as Samsung Rex II, it's something less than Android not an alternative equivalent.

It seems to me this is what's happening with Firefox OS where all of the devices released so far have just been far too poor to gain any real traction.

Steve Wilson

@Nour Saffaf,"I think Samsung should not make any profit from selling these phones in India for the sake of Tizen. They should sell it with less than it costed.. yes with loss. Something like $50 and Samsung cover the loss."

I wouldn't want to see Samsung do that, maybe just offer a slightly higher spec on their Tizen devices vs their Android devices at each price point. Make Tizen devices look better value without giving the perception of inferiority.

I think most of the spec of the Z1 is OK for a budget device but that camera's a show-stopper, isn't it? :(

 

"I want one. I want to port my apps to ELF and test them on it. I have no idea how to get one..."

I'll try and get one too, probably from a website like snapdeal.com

I've still got my fingers crossed for EFL + LuaJIT being added to HTML5 and C++ for Tizen development.

Steve Wilson

"There is no more C++.. :) It is C now"

Ah, for some reason I thought Tizen's 'native development' was just the old Bada API. Did it change or did I just imagine that?

Anyway, I'll take a closer look now. I'm not at all keen on C++ but I don't find C quite so unpleasant.

John Ixion

yep but C++ is coming back https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/EFL_Tutorials

John Ixion

Interesting is the "Tizen Browser powered by UC" http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/12/first-firmware-for-samsung-z1-sm-z130h-emerges-z130hddu0anl7/

UCWeb = Alibaba = most important partner in China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCWeb

John Ixion

some very nice pictures http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/12/more-leaked-pictures-of-first-tizen-smartphone-samsung-z1-sm-z130h/

colin Rao

Battery capacity  1,500 mAh

A little lower, mainstream is more than 3,000 mAh. -_-

Peter Wegner

768 MB RAM sounds nice... hopefully enough for 480 x 800 Pixel...

Tizen seems very RAM consuming... in my opinion... No idea if optimized in Z130...

About leaked Firmware...

INS-Z130HDDU0ANL7-20141216112624.zip

Is this flashable with ODIN? Which Version is mandatory?

Somebody knows latest Firmware Version? Or is this Initial Firmware for release in january?

 

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all.

Best Regards

John Ixion

I've created a Google+ group for users: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/100386307026242080608

John Ixion

I'm not a Google fan but the G+ UI is fantastic for a user group imo :)

John Ixion

I would like to add that G+ is not even a personal choice, these G+ groups get created anyhow, by me or someone else ;)

John Ixion

There seems to be a second phone in the pipeline https://twitter.com/esse1000k/status/549117068893642753

Steve Wilson

Great news, hopefully a better spec device for more developed markets.

Has the idea of Tizen for the PC (https://developer.tizen.org/forums/general-support/tizen-phone-samsung-z1) been abandoned?

I'm getting quite enthusiastic about the automated bindings, I saw that EFL has good bindings for Vala (link blocked by spam filter o_0), hopefully that means we could develop for Tizen with Vala/Genie too.

Steve Wilson

...and my other link doctored ???

John Ixion

Tizen Common is PC compatible https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/Devices

but the PC is not a commercial target

John Ixion

We also have a Facebook group now: https://www.facebook.com/groups/325831870950832/

John Ixion

Samsung releases first Tizen smartphone in India

http://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-releases-first-tizen-smartphone-in-india/

John Ixion

The Tizen Store is open ! http://www.tizenstore.com/

John Ixion

"Samsung India Electronics Private Limited today announced the launch of the first Tizen powered smartphone for India, the Samsung Z1. Appealing to millions of potential users in India, the Samsung Z1 offers exclusive benefits for localized entertainment apps and a simple user interface that makes mobility easier and more enjoyable, even for the first-time smartphone users."

http://samsungmobilepress.com/2015/01/14/Samsung-Unveils-the-Samsung-Z1,-the-First-Tizen-Powered-Smartphone-for-Indian-Consumers-1

John Ixion

Samsung blog http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/samsung-unveils-the-samsung-z1-the-first-tizen-powered-smartphone-for-indian-consumers/

harish kumar kavali
I didn't find any store selling Samsung tizen z1 When the device will be available in market
Peter Wegner

Maybe february...

I hope before MWC...

"winners will be announced by January 30th 2015. "

Date from Tizen India Portathon Challenge 2014 moved from 15th to 30th...

http://tizenindiaportathon.com/

In my opinion low chance to buy this month... january is soon over...

 

Best Regards

John Ixion

http://seoz.egloos.com/4064053

John Ixion

A very nice video review: http://youtu.be/-JIrjNqldf4

Source: Tizen Indonesia

John Ixion

Developer Option: http://youtu.be/elwrXSq0GuQ

Gopal Chandavarapu

Finally dear friends, 

Today was the day for me. I went to a Samsung outlet on last Friday 1/16 and they didn’t have a demo piece to try out. Sunday 1/18 they had one and I held and tried the Z1. It is kind of small in my palm, and my wife said I deserved a bigger better phone like EDGE. This is like Rs 65,000/-. I was using Samsung gt-i9082 till now, had to return it to my old team for their app testing. 

So having no choice without a phone. I went in today morning and bought Z1 for Rs 5500/- in Bangalore. Its very nice light in weight and bright in sun, fast in performance, decent camera both front and rear. Although I know current market standards for basic smartphones are high.

For the craze to have Tizen OS device I committed to buy one. My belief is that the combination of hardware, firmware, software make the device perform better.

Some of my colleagues are work questioned about Android Play Store apps usage and availability for Z1. I mellowed down. RAM, CPU, Camera, etc mellowed down.

Samsung, developers please help with apps abundance, explode on TizenStore. I need to silence my colleagues with the clash of the clans Tizen vs Android.

Initial feedback.

 

Steve Wilson

Hello Gopal,

"Some of my colleagues are work questioned about Android Play Store apps usage and availability for Z1."

Have you tried running Android apps on your Z1? There's a how-to here: http://www.tizenexperts.com/2015/01/samsung-z1-launching-android-apps-thanks-open-mobiles-acl-technology/

Gopal Chandavarapu

Thanks Steve

Yes WhatsApp works via ACL with the Z1, which works for me too. Don’t know how Leela (lady at the OpenMobile booth) got to run Angry Birds, Temple Run etc.

How to get to Android Play Store ? and not limit with games only ?

Another aspect I feel is missing - I got my Gmail working on Z1, I need to go back and synch my office outlook too. Either because of lack of documentation or support of the OS to have multiple mail clients working in parallel I am unable to synch emails 

Its my second day or so and with Z1 and need for more and its lack is limiting me !!!

Samsumg hire me, I don’t want Tizen to face the Bada like effect. I will lay the way forwards for Tizen to get the glory.

Thanks

Gopal

 

Gopal Chandavarapu

I also saw another video from CNET in which it was shown another phone (Z) with Tizen. Which was much longer & wider than the Z1. The lady at OpenMobile video showed a different phone with Tizen OS. Which means that Z1 is for India, Z for US and so on for the phones. TizenExperts site has for automobiles, another video I saw was for Televisions, and other variants for wearables. Hence all in all its evident that the core OS has many profiles for various applications (autos, phones, TVs, wearables). But where are the apps, developers, marketplace, and ecosystem please? APLM – application life cycle mgmt. for Tizen ? Am I too early or cant we beat the competition (Android Playstore, iOS playstore, Windows playstore etc…). I hated to see Nokia go down ? 

Gopal Chandavarapu

I read an article by a telecom companies CTO. He mentioned that like for TVs, VCRs, DVDs, etc the remote control protocol to operate the television was not standardized initially. Because each vendor (Sony, Philips, Samsung, LG etc) had their IR or other tech standard to operate. But later we saw aftermarket multi purpose remotes that would work with any television. Similarly he stated that the current IoT too is and will face the challenge. Taking the same analogy for the varied OS for phones (Ubuntu's, Firefox, SailFish, Amazon Fire, Google's Android, Apples iOS etc) Why cant we have a common app stack that is portable. We had Java which broke the client server paradigm. Now we have everything in JS and humungous frameworks for the UI, DBs (Couch DB), Servers io.js/Node.js etc....

When will we have OS/platform neutral app deployments? That way for app companies market is wide, for consumers choice is any handset since apps are all over portable, available. 

Its similar to MNP (mobile # portability in India), the consumer can switch between service providers for their mobile, data services if the coverage, cost and services are not satisfactory 

Steve Wilson

@Gopal "I read an article by a telecom companies CTO. He mentioned that like for TVs, VCRs, DVDs, etc the remote control protocol to operate the television was not standardized initially. Because each vendor (Sony, Philips, Samsung, LG etc) had their IR or other tech standard to operate. But later we saw aftermarket multi purpose remotes that would work with any television."

Tizen TVs include a web server, any device with a browser connected to your LAN can act as a remote for it, you just point it at the appropriate URL. I imagine this is how most of the IoT will function, using HTTP(S) POST/GET requests.

@Gopal "When will we have OS/platform neutral app deployments?"

It already mostly exists, HTML5 now has some excellent APIs, particularly for mobile: AppCache, IndexedDB, File System, File Reader, File Writer, Device Orientation, Screen Orientation, Full Page, Page Visibility, Network Information, Battery Status, Vibration, WebRTC peer-to-peer, Web Speech,...

The HTML5 canvas also makes use of hardware acceleration wherever available and can run animations at 60FPS even on quite modest hardware so even games aren't out of the question.

To Google's credit Chrome's support for new HTML5 APIs is usually very good, unfortunately the same is not true for Apple's Safari.

http://caniuse.com/#compare=ios_saf%2B8.1%2Cand_chr%2B39%2Cand_ff%2B33&compare_cats=HTML5%2CJS%20API

Gopal Chandavarapu

So you mean to say that s/w commands the h/w vendors. Apple has its iOS working only on their h/w only. Now Google too with Ara approach. What will happen to the HTCs, Samsungs, LGs. ---- so is Tizen the answer for Samsung then? 

My main purpose of love to Tizen was because of Linux Foundation attestation/collaboration with Tizen. 

I like open source, Linux and its collaborators. So thanks Nour to kindle my purpose for the love to choose Tizen OS based phone. And my love was because of the open source pinch in it.

To me it’s like poor man and rich man difference. Poor man builds on open source and the rich has the apps.

 

Jay .

You are absoultely right.

 

John Ixion

"Samsung Z1 sales have surpassed all expectations in a highly competitive and a fiercely fought price segment, which offers consumers the widest choice. We are also witnessing significant usage of the entertainment package with consumers downloading music and enjoying free movies and live TV,"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Samsungs-Tizen-phone-will-be-made-in-India/articleshow/46009748.cms

Steve Wilson

@Nour: "I think Tizen is a real Linux destro. It is real open source. It has a future but it will need time and money."

It seems Intel are rather more enthusiastic about Tizen being open/open source than Samsung are: https://www.tizen.org/irclogs/%23tizen.2013-01-20.log.html (raster is Carlsten Haitzler, lead developer of Enlightenment). Samsung's instinct is to lock everything down.

 

 

@Nour: "Samsung is doing well and better than competitors in smart watches, TVs, Smart homes etc.. thanks to Tizen."

Earlier in the thread Olivier said the PC was not a commercial target for Tizen yet Samsung are merrily manufacturing Chromebooks. We both agreed the Z1 would struggle because of the poor camera now we're seeing reviews saying the same thing. Much as I want Samsung to make a huge success of Tizen it seems to me Tizen's biggest problem could be Samsung's blinkers.

John Ixion

The discussion with raster is 2 years old: not really relevant anymore ;)

(off-topic) The desktop is not a commercial target but Intel has a range of Atom devices which are Tizen PC candidates: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel-compute-stick.html

faldżip faldżip

Reffering this IRC discussion with raster I can assure you that only one thing changed since then: now you code the native apps in EFL directly, without the BadaOS-like API. But that is what hardly can be named as improvement, as here is the recent dailywtf about writing applications in EFL:

http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795

So if you want to write a native application then think twice :)

Steve Wilson

@Olivier: "The discussion with raster is 2 years old: not really relevant anymore ;)"

I hope you're right.

 

@Olivier: "(off-topic) The desktop is not a commercial target but Intel has a range of Atom devices which are Tizen PC candidates"

Interesting. I'd like to see a developer edition of that compute stick running Tizen, with all Tizen SDKs pre-installed and with an update manager that keeps it all up-to-date.

 

@Nour "Normal users would compare hardware and have no idea that Tizen is lighter. Ok, this android phone has 1 GB of RAM, then it is must be better!"

I think that's right, I suggested earlier in the thread Samsung should make their Tizen devices higher spec than their Android devices at every price point for exactly that reason. Of course in reality it's Android that really needs the extra grunt power because it's rather fat and ponderous but it's important Samsung make their Tizen devices LOOK better value rather than just to know it.

John Ixion

Samsung Z1 is selling well, Is it now time for the Samsung Z2 ?

http://www.tizenexperts.com/2015/02/samsung-z1-selling-well-now-time-samsung-z2/

John Ixion

The Z1 reviews are excellent btw http://www.flipkart.com/samsung-tizen-z1/product-reviews/ITME43HEZHRDXQGZ?pid=MOBE43HED5TFAYGK&type=top

Peter Wegner

I can not find any forum or posts outside Blogger scene about Retail Z1 and enduser comments...

Maybe somebody could help and post about any existing Z1 community in India and/or Bangladesh...

My second problem...

I can't find how to order easily Z1... for instance Ebay...

Please someone could post links to sellers in India or Bangladesh or... ?

Maybe Ebay is not popular in India... I don't know.

But how enduser from India can order Z1 online?

 

Thanx in advance.

 

Best Regards

 

P.S.:

Will Z1 shown on MWC?

Or maybe Z2? Or any other Tizen smartphone on MWC?

Marco Buettner

We have many indians with Z1 on our facebook group.

A friend of Patrick was in India and the Z1 was in locale shops out of order. Ebay isn't very big in India. More popular is Flipkart.

PS: I dont think so, that anyone of the official members pre-annouce which device will shown o0

Łukasz Grabiec

You wrote where Tizen wins, I will write where Tizen loose: number of valuable apps available in store.

And this is main disadvantage, that outshine all advantages.

And the worst thing is that they do nothing to encourage developers to make apps.

Nice C++ API replaced with ancient C, devices in RDA do not allow to install apps, images for RD-PQ without apps etc. etc. etc.

One more thing:Bada phones had all the advantages you enumerated - we know where Bada now is ;)

Gene Doe

At ebay is abut 3-5 seller always sell Z1. Search by "samsung z1 tizen" words.

And thank ya my deutsch freund to remove my threads. It's so community.

Peter Wegner

About removing posts/threads... because I missing also few posts...

 

No idea yet, who is moderator now...

Anyway. Remember this is in main "commercial" forum... "sponsored" by...

So not all stuff is "welcome".

 

Samsung sells handsets.and other stuff... so its business...

 

Best Regards

Gene Doe

Huh whateva... So can I ask for rooting advice again? I found where in Z1 keyboard layuts is stored in. It's clear xml. But I need root to change/add.remove them. And afta this I've get my perfect tizen phone =)

Parag Das

Tizen-running Samsung Z1 sells 150K units a month after launch :)

Peter Wegner

In how many countries is Z1 now official available?

 

India is confirmed...

Bangladesh?

 

Thanx in advance.

 

Best Regards

Marco Buettner

two, india and bangladesh

Peter Wegner

Thanx, now I've found older "news"... about more countries "coming soon"...

http://www.tizenexperts.com/2015/02/samsung-z1-released-soon-nepal-sri-lanka-indonesia/

 

What is with Nepal, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and maybe more?

 

Any actual news or rumours again and/or cancelled?

 

Thanx in advance.

 

Best Regards

John Ixion

We have 2.000 users in the Facebook group now, so it's a good destination if you want some feedback from real users ;)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/325831870950832/

Peter Wegner

"We have 2.000 users in the Facebook group now..."

 

I was really fast and really short in this Facebook group. Thanx...

"Somebody" kicked me... for writing 1 post with rooting instruction...

Sorry, my fault. :)

 

So I am here again, with Question...

 

How to install Apps to SD Card?

Who is authorized to put APK in TPK to release as ACL enabled Tizen App?

I will try to find answer here:

http://www.openmobileww.com/#!acl/c1o3z

 

But maybe someone could explain in easy words... why no "ACL plugin" in Tizen SDK?

 

Thanx in advance.

 

Best Regards

Marco Buettner

An ACL plugin makes no sense? ACL is a application layer.

To upload an android app to TizenStore you have to registered to AppMall from Open Mobile. More you can find on the support center

http://support.openmobileww.com/hc/en-us/articles/201158808-I-am-an-Android-app-developer-and-would-like-to-port-my-app-to-the-ACL-enabled-Samsung-Tizen-phone-What-is-the-process-for-doing-this-

 

To install apps on sdcard follow these steps

Settings > Storage > Default Storage > Installed Applications > SD card

John Ixion

simple: ACL is slow, it's a temporary solution for vital apps;

whatsapp is a good example: the ACL version has already been replaced by a native app

Coval Philippe

Hi

Do you know how to install other ACL apps on this device ?

Openmobile has it's own app repo isnt it ?

 

Btw, I am maintaining this page, dont hesitate to contact me if some infos are missing

https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/SamsungZ1

 

Later

--

https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/User:Pcoval

 

John Ixion

OpenMobile has its own repo but Samsung selects a few apps which are urgent for users: essentially chat apps.

OpenMobile (Jarret Goetz) is very active in the Facebook group btw

Peter Wegner

This sounds interesting...

http://www.tizenexperts.com/2015/04/expansion-of-tizen-store-service-coverage-to-182-countries/

 

No idea if this means... Z1 will be available in more countries... OR we have chance to see more Tizen smartphones in more countries...

Maybe Z2 is near...

 

Best Regards

daniel kim

Hi,

Here is the Specification of Z2 and I'm expecting that Z2 will be released worldwide soon.

  http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/14/samsung-preps-second-generation-z2-smartphone-as-well-as-global-tizen-mid-ranger-for-1h-2015/

  http://techiepocket.com/samsung-z2-tizen-specifications/#

Regards,